Police Brutality

[InfectedSausage]

If you look closely, the dog is flailing around for a few minutes after being shot. If you have the guts to discharge a weapon, I don't think it should be inhumane to end its misery.

That is true, though if I was in the shoes of that cop, I would be too nervous to kill it because of the crowd looking at the situation.

I can understand what you're saying.

I can as well. At least you weren't like those people who replied to me on Youtube.

Did you see the one where the black kid was in a pool of blood and like six officers were surrounding him? The hell, he's probably already dead for losing all that blood. Did the video description include a reason why that happened?

I haven't, but is the video recent? Can I see a link?

[Maxbarrass]

What do you mean did I see the dog breed? It looked like an ordinary old dog to me. There is no need to take a risk, you're right. He could have moved out of the way. He certainly did not do the right thing. He panicked and Panic + Gun = Something losing it's life. That was senseless murder.

Pit Bulls (I think) have been bred to fight.  However I guess it could be similar to the eledged 'Zombie' incident under that bridge.  Should the Police man of shot him or not.  The comment that I herd was that the Police Man shot the man eating the other mans face because he growled at him.  Could you believe that?  I mean, it could have been a sper of the moment thing.  With the amount of horror films out there that make 'Zombies' seem like an every day thing, it could be understandable.  However if the man did attack him, could he have court the man?  Shot him in the kneecap or something.  But then again why take the risk.  Besides, a similar thing happened to someone my sister knew where he had his ear bitten off by some random stranger.

Then all these horror stories are just mainly stuff that will give police a bad name, yet I recently had an encounter with the police over some little fucking scabby chav kids after they smashed the window of my mothers car.  They were polite over it.  The explained that she would be able to have a new window fitted for free because she is on disability benefits and I honestly hope of they do use police brutality, that they shoot the one which but the sign through my mum's window right between the legs.   

[Lt. Surge]

That is true, though if I was in the shoes of that cop, I would be too nervous to kill it because of the crowd looking at the situation.

I can as well. At least you weren't like those people who replied to me on Youtube.

I haven't, but is the video recent? Can I see a link?

Hmm, I see. Well shooting the dog in the first place was bad PR in that situation. You could say "sorry but I need to kill it. It is bleeding too much... Ending it now will spare him some pain." And then whether or not they agreed I'd make sure my partners were keeping the people back as I finished it off. I kinda felt bad for all parties involved.

Life is too short to get angry about everything... and there are worse atrocities out there to be concerned of. Plus we are all somewhat mature, here. I'm not one for flame wars.

It's the fourth or fifth video down:
US Police Shoot An Unarmed Black Teen Dead

[InfectedSausage]

US Police Shoot An Unarmed Black Teen Dead

The police officer was an absolute moron in this case. Yes, you could say that the black man was struggling and if you actually look at what you are wielding, the black man could have gotten the upper hand. In this case, he should remember where he puts his equipment.

The family getting 25m is a bit over the top, in my opinion.

And look at this lovely youtube comment:

this story really pisses me off, the family getting 25m??? hope they lose the case may this Peanut Butter rest in torment and flames in the deepest pits of hell while i piss on his cheap welfare bought tomb stone, another Peanut Butter dead, and glory to western europe!

^ Peanut butter? God damn it mods!

[Lord_Chanticleer]

The only thing surprising here is that people talk about cases like this as though they're surprising. State monopoly on force inevitably leads to brutality. I've already explained. I'm done with this topic.

What makes you think competitive policing won't lead to brutality? As soon as you give people a weapon and the right to use it on civilians there's always a chance of the former being tempted to abuse it. It's not about who has the monopoly on violence, it's about who has access to the weapon.

[TS Vamp]

Stop making your assumptions based on what you see online. You've clearly never had an encounter with the police. I for one know that my local police force do exactly as they are meant to. They don't use force unless provoked, they allow you to give your side of the story instead shutting them up at every opportunity, and they do their jobs the way they should. Either you live in a place with the worst police officers known to man or you're just falling for stereotypes

Haha, learn some respect and ask about my opinions first, rather than sound like a complete prick who has a made a huuuge assumption in the first place. On that note you clearly need to learn a lesson about assumptions.. You shouldn't make your own assumptions that my opinions are based on what I've seen online. Brother, you know nothing.. NOTHING of my experiences in real life (Yes, real life, not online)

My friends and I (who are all good, well mannered people) have had many hugely frustrating encounters with the police. Encounters where they speak over us, wont listen to us, and talk to us like 10 year olds. I've WITNESSED a man being tackled to the ground when he has NOT been causing harmful, threatening, or intimidating behaviour, but only trying to reason with the police about an incident earlier in the day. They didn't talk to this guy, they tackled him to the ground

I'm glad you have a good local police, but there is a whole world outside of your community mate.. Don't be so foolish and close-minded to assume that the rest of the world is the same.

[FuturePerfection]

I'm glad you have a good local police, but there is a whole world outside of your community mate.. Don't be so foolish and close-minded to assume that the rest of the world is the same.

I'm upset you have a shit local police, but there is a whole world outside of your community mate.. Don't be so foolish and close-minded to assume that the rest of the world is the same.

See what I'm getting at here?

[TS Vamp]

I'm upset you have a shit local police, but there is a whole world outside of your community mate.. Don't be so foolish and close-minded to assume that the rest of the world is the same.

See what I'm getting at here?

Actually, you haven't really been 'getting at' a point at all... That paragraph of mine was only written in the first place because you outrightly denied my first post, saying that your police are fine, so I must be lying, or just watching online videos.

The point I was clearly making is that you can't just assume that what someone is saying is based on videos or bullshit, just because it doesn't match your own experiences.

See what I'm getting at here?

[InfectedSausage]

Haha, learn some respect and ask about my opinions first, rather than sound like a complete prick who has a made a huuuge assumption in the first place.

Even though he's right?

My friends and I (who are all good, well mannered people) have had many hugely frustrating encounters with the police. Encounters where they speak over us, wont listen to us, and talk to us like 10 year olds. I've WITNESSED a man being tackled to the ground when he has NOT been causing harmful, threatening, or intimidating behaviour, but only trying to reason with the police about an incident earlier in the day. They didn't talk to this guy, they tackled him to the ground.

That doesn't mean that, as you would say, police officers are all bullies. Just because you've witnessed some bad policing, doesn't mean that the whole majority of cops are just abusing, civilian beating bastards, since there are more good cops in this world than bad cops. It seems like those cop brutality videos have gotten to your head, and now that you see one or two acts of brutality, 'Oh, fuck da police' which is just close minded.

I'm glad you have a good local police, but there is a whole world outside of your community mate.. Don't be so foolish and close-minded to assume that the rest of the world is the same.

He's not saying that. He's just saying that you believe that all cops are glorified bullies, which is false, and bullcrap.

[TS Vamp]

That doesn't mean that, as you would say, police officers are all bullies. Just because you've witnessed some bad policing, doesn't mean that the whole majority of cops are just abusing, civilian beating bastards, since there are more good cops in this world than bad cops. It seems like those cop brutality videos have gotten to your head, and now that you see one or two acts of brutality, 'Oh, fuck da police' which is just close minded.

He's not saying that. He's just saying that you believe that all cops are glorified bullies, which is false, and bullcrap.

Hahaha, what a bold statement "There are more good cops in this world than bad cops" How could anyone even know such a thing? That comment is extremely retarded and it sounds like you've been watching too many movies kid. On top of that, you've chosen the wrong person to say that to. You see, unfortunately for you, I have been to a few countries, I've seen a bit of the world outside my box. a couple of friends in particular have been to many countries, and seen the world outside of their box. Kid, if you see what some of the police are like around the world, then I guarantee that you would think twice about saying "There are more good cops in the world than bad cops"

So from my experiences, now read that again carefully, MY EXPERIENCES, not from old and dated videos online, I have the right to call them glorified bullies.

EDIT: As for your last point, read my post before yours and that will be explained

[InfectedSausage]

Hahaha, what a bold statement "There are more good cops in this world than bad cops" How could anyone even know such a thing? That comment is extremely retarded and it sounds like you've been watching too many movies kid.

Actually, most of the movies I've seen involve corrupt cops so....

And yes, because I've been to a hell of a load of places and know that the police do what they should. You can't just say that 'all cops are glorified bullies' just because of about 2 experiences, and the amount of brutality videos you've seen. There are a lot of shit officers in London, but there are more good ones. My family had to call the police A LOT, mostly when I lived in Tottenham and Clapton, and most of them did their job.

You see, unfortunately for you, I have been to a few countries, I've seen a bit of the world outside my box. a couple of friends in particular have been to many countries, and seen the world outside of their box. Kid, if you see what some of the police are like around the world, then I guarantee that you would think twice about saying "There are more good cops in the world than bad cops''

Stop acting like you've seen it all, and stop acting like you think I've only seen what police are like in one country.

So from my experiences, now read that again carefully, MY EXPERIENCES, not from old and dated videos online, I have the right to call them glorified bullies.

You've only stated about 2 experiences, and it doesn't look like you've met a lot of police officers outside your area, even though you claim that you have seen what officers are like everywhere. Stop stereotyping police officers, like the close minded member you are.

[TS Vamp]

Right, I'm getting tired of repeating myself.. Either you are extremely dumb, or you just don't read my posts.

I have been saying over and over that I do not, (listen now), I repeat, NOT base my opinions on videos. Not once have I referenced, or posted a video. Do you need me to type that again for you? Do you understand?

I can give you more accounts of my experiences if you would like to hear them?
 
alot of people who have come to England come to get away from the oppression they receive from their respective governments and police. Have you actually spoke to cultures outside of Europe? Do you research what's going on in the world?

I'm not stereotyping. like I've said all along, I'm summarising them from what I've experienced

[InfectedSausage]

I have been saying over and over that I do not, (listen now), I repeat, NOT base my opinions on videos. Not once have I referenced, or posted a video. Do you need me to type that again for you? Do you understand?

Then why are ALL cops glorified bullies? Sounds like you are extremely close minded or you are just blinded by what you see on the internet.

I can give you more accounts of my experiences if you would like to hear them?

ALL of them.

alot of people who have come to England come to get away from the oppression they receive from their respective governments and police. Have you actually spoke to cultures outside of Europe? Do you research what's going on in the world?

Yes, I do. And I know how policing is from other cultures around the world. My mum, who is Brazilian, has said that she has seen more good cops than bad cops. My grandad, who is American, respects the police. If there were more bad cops than good, then do you know how more messed up this world would be?

I'm not stereotyping. like I've said all along, I'm summarising them from what I've experienced

1. You are stereotyping by saying that they are all bullies.

2. Nice to edit out calling me an ignorant fool to try to sound more logical.

[FezzyBear]

Police officers are not superhuman in any way, and should not be treated or viewed like that. They are ordinary people who have went through many years of education to acquire a job. They have their own everyday problems and stresses, and probably have negative encounters with the police themselves when off-duty. I had the pleasure of working with the police for twelve hours, six days a week while I was doing security for the Olympics, and they were great people.
It is an extremely silly thing to label the majority of them as anything. It would be the equivilent of saying that the majority of lawyers are swine, simply because you've only dealt with the bad ones.

The police should have respect for members of the public, and members of the public should have respect for the police. Individuals from either party can always decide to go against that common sense rule though, because they are free-thinking individuals.

As for the dog video - I find that very hard to watch. I'm a big fan of dogs. The canine's only way of defence is to bear its teeth and try to frighten the thing it's up against. The cops have firearms and pepper sprays. Bleh. It shouldn't have went down like that, but then again, it's mental for people to be allowed to carry around guns.

[TS Vamp]

Then why are ALL cops glorified bullies? Sounds like you are extremely close minded or you are just blinded by what you see on the internet.

ALL of them.

Yes, I do. And I know how policing is from other cultures around the world. My mum, who is Brazilian, has said that she has seen more good cops than bad cops. My grandad, who is American, respects the police. If there were more bad cops than good, then do you know how more messed up this world would be?

1. You are stereotyping by saying that they are all bullies.

2. Nice to edit out calling me an ignorant fool to try to sound more logical.

Ah, I'm glad you mentioned American police my friend..American police are indeed pretty alright.. As long as you don't say anything bad about the government that is. Or as long as you brown nose them. You know somone actually got tazered for questioning Obama over overseas wars? Police protect freedom of speech eh? BULLSHIT

Again, going on about what I've seen on the internet. Unlike alot of members here, you'll notice that I'm not on here much right? Because I rarely get on the internet these days. You see, I talk to people, I get insights from them, rather than just reading what some guy has put on the internet.

I admit that I may have been hasty to say they are all glorified bullies, but I still stand by that most of them are.

You want all of my experiences eh? Ok then, here you go:

 - I'm walking home, to be fair, quite late. Unmarked car pulls me over "What are you up to?" "Just walking home?" "We have had a report that a car theft has happened to someone of your description (before I continue, I must stress that this is the opening chat up line that they use ALOT. Countless people in my area have had the same line over and over. We don't even have many car thefts around here!) anyway, they continue with "we're gonna need to search you" At this point they are still polite, even if they are just blagging it to meet their target of pulling a certain amount of people over. So I give them my bag, try to make pleasant conversation but they only talk amongst themselves. By the way, there are 4 of them. 4!! I felt like a wanted criminal. They then clear me, leaving (yes, leaving) all the contents of my bag on the pavement with no apology for falsely pulling me over!!

 - Me and my friends have been pulled over multiple times (I'm not gonna list them individually cos thats just long) with that same chat up line about a stolen car, or they don't give a reason at all and just tell us to step out of the vehicle. Everytime this happens I gladly tell them that they legally cannot pull us over without a genuine reason as to why we have been targeted, to which I get ignored or just a simple "Do you want to be arrested tonight?" They ignore the fact that what they are doing is illegal and treat me like a criminal (By the way, I have a clean criminal record, no reason for them to detain me) That is bullying in my eyes. Btw, research the police snooker game. They pull over cars of a certain colour in a certain order and call it a game. Basically pulling people over for no reason which is bullying.

 - In Spain I saw a guy quite loudly arguing, not fighting, with another guy. Instead of trying to talk to them, WHACK straight to the legs with a club, then another WHACK, and they take this guy off in a van. I know that sounds ridiculous but I promise you that I witnessed this.

 - My dad's friend when in Thailand got taken by a police van and dropped off in the middle of nowhere. You know what for? For answering back! Not even rudely, but just questioning them as to why he had been stopped.

Thats just a few examples of my experiences. I've had a few which admittedly were not as raw as those, but I still find them to be generally rude, and very condescending. And yes, I have found this with EVERY encounter I have had

As for editing out the ignorant fool? I didn't do that to sound more 'logical'. Get off your high horse kid, I did it cos sometimes you realise you say something in the heat of the moment which is a bit out of line, and you be a man and correct it.