Gay Marriage

[RhinoVirus]

And it's people like (you?) the ones quoting Bible texts and stuff to say gay marriage is bad that make religion look dumb, arrogant and hateful, lmao.

People can believe what they want as long as they won't bother me with their religion(s). But if I see a comment (religion related) I don't agree with, and I mean, really not agree with, I tend to laugh at it due to them being very funny (to me, of course). =)
Now excuse me while I make my fellow atheists look arrogant and hateful.

I've made 2 posts on this thread, neither of which quote the bible. In fact, I took a moderate stance on gay marriage in one of them.

You do realise that it's people like you that give atheists a bad name, right? How do you expect anyone to respect you when you're downright insulting them because they think differently than you?

[GodOfVengeance]

I've made 2 posts on this thread, neither of which quote the bible. In fact, I took a moderate stance on gay marriage in one of them.

You do realise that it's people like you that give atheists a bad name, right? How do you expect anyone to respect you when you're downright insulting them because they think differently than you?

The bible aspect of my post was meant to other people, @ SilverJ's post.
You see, I'll put it in a very simple way, I respect every person and their religion/beliefs, UNTIL they make stupid statements. I'm not gay, but reading these posts about gay marriage is like you guys are saying these HUMAN beings aren't real human beings and shall burn in hell (Because that's what the big bearded man + his book says or am I wrong?).

You see, I simply do not believe in fairytales and the crap the pope and the vatican tells us. Not even starting on all the child abusing priests with what they did to little children etc. It makes my opinion about religion even lower, yet I can respect people who believe in it, because if they want to, who am I to stop them?
It just takes a few stupid words/comments to make me lose respect for them and the gay marriage topic is but 1 of many. I make the atheists look bad? I think "God" will let us burn in hell anyway so why would I care, haha, it's still funny. I decide to live my own life and make my own choices, not some stupid outdated old story book that has been passed down from generation to generation. I'm not part of the mindless followers, I make up my own path.

Another example,
Muslims. I do not like "them" as in their religion and never will. Infact, I do not respect that religion, but I respect the people because I can't judge them without knowing them, correct?
Their religion puts down women, as simple as that, and we all know this. I would/could never support crap like that. Same as the crap with Gay marriage. If they want to marry, let them marry. Are they hurting anyone? No! =)

To put an end to this "interesting response", I see religion more as a culture. That's also the only reason I respect (most of) them. As I said before, I don't believe in fairytales and certainly not in some old crappy book with cute stories written in them. It's that simple. Is this insulting? If so, my apologies, I'm just explaining my reasons. Yet, I think saying that Gay marriage is awful is very insulting to me as a human being, just as they are. Knowing this argument won't end in any way because we both got our "beliefs" (See what I did there =D), I just had to respond to this.


TimeSplitters for new religion! Who's with me?!

[DrkSnpr14]

no gay marriage. marriage has been and always will be for men and women.
marriage is religious and god dosent like gays.
gays only want it cuz straight persons have it.

You're an idiot. Gay people aren't out to destroy the sanctity of marriage, they want the same legal rights that a man and a woman have. It has nothing to do with religion either. You know nothing about this subject.

[InfectedSausage]

*TL*

God, I completely agree with everything you said.

You're an idiot. Gay people aren't out to destroy the sanctity of marriage, they want the same legal rights that a man and a woman have. It has nothing to do with religion either. You know nothing about this subject.

This.

You do realise that it's people like you that give atheists a bad name, right? How do you expect anyone to respect you when you're downright insulting them because they think differently than you?

By saying LOL, he gives them a bad name? Who wouldn't laugh out loud at religion, knowing that billions of people are brainwashed by it?

[Jacktheassassin]

I am not a man of god, neither a man of religion. But some of you people are hating on the Christians for what they believe. You shouldn't judge on the religion of a man, but his acts and personality. The trick is not to judge or make assumptions on people you barely know so people just stop hating. And if you are Christian and gay does that make you immoral and an abomination…no. So Chris just change the way you think.

[Godman]

It has nothing to do with religion either.

Surely it does if marriage is a religious ceremony. I did read somewhere, probably here, that a lot of the religion is falling from it though. Possibly because marriage is different (I believe) to other heterosexual partnerships in terms of law, so straight people go for it because if that.

[Drifting]

Another example,
Muslims. I do not like "them" as in their religion and never will. Infact, I do not respect that religion, but I respect the people because I can't judge them without knowing them, correct?
Their religion puts down women, as simple as that, and we all know this.

You're casting a mighty big net over all Muslims, there. While you could make an argument for Islamic fundamentalists advocating some abhorrent things, I don't think your average Muslim is much more extreme in their beliefs than your average Christian. Just as you don't see most Christians running around with slaves and multiple wives, so too most Muslims are moderate in their beliefs. At least, the ones I have personally met and gotten to know.

[Jacktheassassin]

You're casting a mighty big net over all Muslims, there. While you could make an argument for Islamic fundamentalists advocating some abhorrent things, I don't think your average Muslim is much more extreme in their beliefs than your average Christian. Just as you don't see most Christians running around with slaves and multiple wives, so too most Muslims are moderate in their beliefs. At least, the ones I have personally met and gotten to know.

Well, The terorists are Muslim so they are quite extreme with there beliefs. I'm not racist but I'm just saying. And I don't think all Muslims are terorists either because I know some Muslims and they could not harm anyone. But I'm just throwing it out there.

[Godman]

Well, The terorists are Muslim so they are quite extreme with there beliefs. I'm not racist but I'm just saying. And I don't think all Muslims are terorists either because I know some Muslims and they could not harm anyone. But I'm just throwing it out there.

A terrorist doesn't have to be an Islamic extremist. There are plenty of acts of terrorism done in favour of other religions, politics, anything people can get passionate about which they see as threatened somehow.

[Jacktheassassin]

When I said terorists I ment the late Osama and his group not the others.

[Maxbarrass]

I don't care what a fucking book says, nor do I care what some "Lord" says.

To be honest this fucking book has no real history based around it.  It has been around for century's and if you think about how easily manipulated some people were in history, we know how it became one of the larger religions out there.  Why would a book about Redemption and Love say 'Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live' which brought upon one of the largest set of unjust killings in history (Apart from the Holocaust).  Religious people need to think about how many people have died because of that verse which is not the only one.  There has been no recorded date of when if firs was created, no real evidence that Jesus even existed and no real proof of the Garden of Eden.  Some of the main guidelines in the book like 'Thou shalt not kill' 'Thou shalt not steal' are each in its own self something we have adopted in to the modern society, yet most of what we do is based around what we think is right and wrong.   

[Jacktheassassin]

You may poo poo religion, but don't you think this universe seems to diverse to be just a "accident".

[FezzyBear]

You may poo poo religion

You're just too much, man.

, but don't you think this universe seems to diverse to be just a "accident".

Let's save that for a different thread. If only the God thread wasn't locked...

[Lord_Chanticleer]

1 Corinthians 9

If there's one thing I've learned from the subject Religion I had to take last year it's that we shouldn't adopt Biblical laws lightly. They apply to a completely different society, one that's seperated from ours by at least a few thousand years of history and shaped by a radically different way of life.

The way I see it, marriage between two individuals of the same gender was most likely made punishable because in those days it would severely cripple the prospects of both wedding families as there would be no offspring. God was in all probability just brought into the whole affair to legitimise the prohibition.

Being gay is just as much of a sin as cheating on your significant other or robbing someone. 

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Being gay might not be entirely a choice, but then again, neither is most sins.

Yes, you're right.  It's not a choice. Not in any way, shape or form. You either are homosexual or you are not, much like one is either heterosexual or not. Therefore I find it irrational that it should be put in the same category as adultery or theft, two things that actually do involve choice.

While I'd rather we not have gay marriage in our country, not allowing would be hypocritical for a country of freedoms.

I think this statement is one of the most reasonable statements I've read thus far.

[SilverJ]

I wasn't saying that they're not human beings and should burn in hell.  Like with the other groups, they don't have act on their sin.  They can repent and turn away from it and be saved.  Adulterers and thieves fall in the same group, though you could also count prideful (to the point of arrogance) people and envying what someone else has.

I don't know what I was saying towards the end, other than how I don't like what we're doing in other countries and pushing our weight around.  I personally don't feel we have the right.  That's probably just more of my ranting from the other thread.  You know, the Dictator one.. that kind of died after this thread was birthed from it.  While I'll post here, one of the things that truly irritates me and makes me rant is what my country does overseas.  And we wonder why everyone hates us.

Just because there's no thread about, I'll leave it at this.  I'm not brainwashed.  I made this decision on my own freewill, because my life felt incomplete.  Living without Christ felt pointless to me. (not to the point I'd kill myself though, as I feel it's wrong even if there's Heaven or Hell.. as in, others are still going to be affected by your selfish decision)  I read a little more than just the Bible before I decided to get saved. (i.e. Case for Christ and a few internet sources)  You can call it some made up book all you want, but it's still real to me.

Why would someone who hated and persecuted Christians so much turn over a new leaf, like Paul did if Christ wasn't didn't die for our sins?

Edit: I'm out of this after this post.  I only jumped in because I didn't like chrisrobo's tone or how he handled things.  I don't believe in gay marriage and I'd prefer it not happen, but our country's supposed to be a country of freedoms.  We should act like that a little more.  Then again, legalizing gay marriage or pot wouldn't cancel out the fact our congress keeps trying to censor the internet.  Are we China?  No.  Then, we shouldn't be trying to make (internet) laws that could easily and probably will be abused.